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		<title>By: O.Jay</title>
		<link>http://allnarfedup.com/2009/03/02/pulled-over-by-los-angeles-port-police/#comment-3778</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jan 2012 12:06:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not true , Port PO- have boated out of your area many times, and the &quot; novice&quot; officers you now employ do alot of lame and immature things while operating your patrol boats, including-&quot;yes&quot; lack of PC stops. 

this is something alot of younger officers are doing these days- they aren&#039;t being properly trained on developing PC, and the courts have long ruled that vague phone calls of unsubstantiated acts are NOT probable cause to stop or detain.....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not true , Port PO- have boated out of your area many times, and the &#8221; novice&#8221; officers you now employ do alot of lame and immature things while operating your patrol boats, including-&#8221;yes&#8221; lack of PC stops. </p>
<p>this is something alot of younger officers are doing these days- they aren&#8217;t being properly trained on developing PC, and the courts have long ruled that vague phone calls of unsubstantiated acts are NOT probable cause to stop or detain&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: O.Jay</title>
		<link>http://allnarfedup.com/2009/03/02/pulled-over-by-los-angeles-port-police/#comment-3777</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jan 2012 12:02:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[the Port Cops, errr &quot;port wardens&quot; as they were known for many years, OVERSTEPPED their authoirty- it is NOT illegal to photograph locations, and the passengers of the boat didn&#039;t have to allow them to see the camera or give anythign BUT their names( Terry V. OHio and Hiibel V. 6th judicial district of Nev) 

Please stop using &quot;it&#039;s post 9/11&quot; to allow police officers to be LAZY and not use probable cause , or at least reasonable suspicion to develop probable cause. Unless they are on private property, or in a marked and delineated &quot;restricted gov&#039;t zone&quot;, the port cops went from being CA peace officers to being security guards carrying out vague suggestions made by federal agencies, who will (HYPOCRITICALLY) charge the officers for violation of civil rights if it came down to a complaint from the citizens..... I am all for Law enforcement, but officers have to DO BETTER than use vague reasons to conduct NON criminal investigations in hopes of finding a crime...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the Port Cops, errr &#8220;port wardens&#8221; as they were known for many years, OVERSTEPPED their authoirty- it is NOT illegal to photograph locations, and the passengers of the boat didn&#8217;t have to allow them to see the camera or give anythign BUT their names( Terry V. OHio and Hiibel V. 6th judicial district of Nev) </p>
<p>Please stop using &#8220;it&#8217;s post 9/11&#8243; to allow police officers to be LAZY and not use probable cause , or at least reasonable suspicion to develop probable cause. Unless they are on private property, or in a marked and delineated &#8220;restricted gov&#8217;t zone&#8221;, the port cops went from being CA peace officers to being security guards carrying out vague suggestions made by federal agencies, who will (HYPOCRITICALLY) charge the officers for violation of civil rights if it came down to a complaint from the citizens&#8230;.. I am all for Law enforcement, but officers have to DO BETTER than use vague reasons to conduct NON criminal investigations in hopes of finding a crime&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: O.Jay</title>
		<link>http://allnarfedup.com/2009/03/02/pulled-over-by-los-angeles-port-police/#comment-3776</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jan 2012 11:55:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nice reply, BUT- the waterway is a PUBLIC DOMAIN, and there are NO laws against filming in a public domain. Unless they were boating in a marked and defined restricted area, or as you emplied they were creatinga  violation of the states harbors and navigation code- thee was simply NO &quot;PC&quot; ( probable cause) for the boating stop- guarantee you the officers knew this ad that&#039;s whhy a citation wasn&#039;t issued.

Blaming the &quot;excuse&quot; on &quot;Post 9/11&quot; is getting old for lame  civil rights violations for any Police officer to jam up citizens- what next, &quot;your papers, please Sir?&quot;( oh, that&#039;s what happened isn&#039;t it?) the citizen here had the RIGHT to say NO to allowing access to their camera, and DID NOT have to give anything other than a name if they were not operating the boat; refer to Hiibel V. 6th judicial district of Nev. and Terry V. Ohio- This coming from another police officer that&#039;s in a similar type of Law enforcement at those &quot;port of LA Wardens&quot;....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice reply, BUT- the waterway is a PUBLIC DOMAIN, and there are NO laws against filming in a public domain. Unless they were boating in a marked and defined restricted area, or as you emplied they were creatinga  violation of the states harbors and navigation code- thee was simply NO &#8220;PC&#8221; ( probable cause) for the boating stop- guarantee you the officers knew this ad that&#8217;s whhy a citation wasn&#8217;t issued.</p>
<p>Blaming the &#8220;excuse&#8221; on &#8220;Post 9/11&#8243; is getting old for lame  civil rights violations for any Police officer to jam up citizens- what next, &#8220;your papers, please Sir?&#8221;( oh, that&#8217;s what happened isn&#8217;t it?) the citizen here had the RIGHT to say NO to allowing access to their camera, and DID NOT have to give anything other than a name if they were not operating the boat; refer to Hiibel V. 6th judicial district of Nev. and Terry V. Ohio- This coming from another police officer that&#8217;s in a similar type of Law enforcement at those &#8220;port of LA Wardens&#8221;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: LA Port PO (ret)</title>
		<link>http://allnarfedup.com/2009/03/02/pulled-over-by-los-angeles-port-police/#comment-2719</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LA Port PO (ret)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Nov 2010 11:13:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The fact there we&#039;re two Port Police boats leads me to believe someone called the Port PD and reported you. Traffic stops on the water are usually conducted by the observing vessel. Additional vessels may be dispatched if warranted and a traffic stop doesn&#039;t usually warrant a second vessel.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fact there we&#8217;re two Port Police boats leads me to believe someone called the Port PD and reported you. Traffic stops on the water are usually conducted by the observing vessel. Additional vessels may be dispatched if warranted and a traffic stop doesn&#8217;t usually warrant a second vessel.</p>
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		<title>By: Captain</title>
		<link>http://allnarfedup.com/2009/03/02/pulled-over-by-los-angeles-port-police/#comment-2718</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 21:42:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Johns an idiot. If you&#039;re going to write a post, try doing it so it makes sense.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Johns an idiot. If you&#8217;re going to write a post, try doing it so it makes sense.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://allnarfedup.com/2009/03/02/pulled-over-by-los-angeles-port-police/#comment-2717</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 19:01:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[and also out there just to give tickets ,sometime right mostly becouse of their power to be a police]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and also out there just to give tickets ,sometime right mostly becouse of their power to be a police</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 18:41:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[on my opinion those guys ( driving police patrol ,do not have good experience to do that job ,cannot drive the patrol like a regular captain will do ,and want hallway show you the power because their uniform]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>on my opinion those guys ( driving police patrol ,do not have good experience to do that job ,cannot drive the patrol like a regular captain will do ,and want hallway show you the power because their uniform</p>
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		<title>By: Julie</title>
		<link>http://allnarfedup.com/2009/03/02/pulled-over-by-los-angeles-port-police/#comment-2715</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 08:28:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ian, I appreciate your diligence, but I just don&#039;t agree with this way of thinking. Read Bruce Schneier&#039;s &quot;Refuse to be Terrorized.&quot;

“The problem is that regardless of how much people may wish things were the same, times have changed in the last 8 years.”

Yes, the current climate we live in can be traced directly back to Bush and cronies circa Sept. 12, 2001. The fear-mongering, and really if you want to be perfectly honest, propaganda, was instituted to keep Americans scared shitless and willing to give up their constitutional rights (and not care about civil rights for others) in the name of protecting themselves from terrorism - and so the government could do whatever it wanted (wage war, torture, illegal wiretap, etc.). That&#039;s  fact. And I don’t say this is as some leftist revolutionary wingnut; I am actually very moderate in my politics.

I think if you “do not personally trust most of what I hear from mainstream American media as 100% accurate” then you shouldn’t trust what the government says as 100% accurate. There’s ALWAYS more to the story.

And I believe you CAN be 2 different guys. On that day in the boat, Bryan was on a leisurely trip with friends, taking personal photos. Then he turned out 4 months later at a protest for photographers’ rights. Why are they mutually exclusive?

It is perfectly legal to take photographs in a public place. Why are you willing to give up those rights? If that&#039;s not allowed, then what&#039;s next? Slippery slope, yo.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ian, I appreciate your diligence, but I just don&#8217;t agree with this way of thinking. Read Bruce Schneier&#8217;s &#8220;Refuse to be Terrorized.&#8221;</p>
<p>“The problem is that regardless of how much people may wish things were the same, times have changed in the last 8 years.”</p>
<p>Yes, the current climate we live in can be traced directly back to Bush and cronies circa Sept. 12, 2001. The fear-mongering, and really if you want to be perfectly honest, propaganda, was instituted to keep Americans scared shitless and willing to give up their constitutional rights (and not care about civil rights for others) in the name of protecting themselves from terrorism &#8211; and so the government could do whatever it wanted (wage war, torture, illegal wiretap, etc.). That&#8217;s  fact. And I don’t say this is as some leftist revolutionary wingnut; I am actually very moderate in my politics.</p>
<p>I think if you “do not personally trust most of what I hear from mainstream American media as 100% accurate” then you shouldn’t trust what the government says as 100% accurate. There’s ALWAYS more to the story.</p>
<p>And I believe you CAN be 2 different guys. On that day in the boat, Bryan was on a leisurely trip with friends, taking personal photos. Then he turned out 4 months later at a protest for photographers’ rights. Why are they mutually exclusive?</p>
<p>It is perfectly legal to take photographs in a public place. Why are you willing to give up those rights? If that&#8217;s not allowed, then what&#8217;s next? Slippery slope, yo.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 06:38:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ian, it&#039;s always great to hear some other points of view, and not just hear the ra-ra of people pushing a pro-photography agenda, but please, please break your posts up into paragraphs. It&#039;s nearly impossible to wade through an entire page of text with no line breaks.

As to the issue, anyone wishing to make an attack on the port doesn&#039;t need to do recon with a massive camera, they can drive down the street, do research on the internet. Take your own information regarding fuel storage locations and pumping facilities... tisk tisk, you may have just helped some terrorists, information is dangerous.

Seriously, if someone wants to do some damage, there is little that can be done to stop them. They don&#039;t need any recon, they don&#039;t need a big dslr and a telephoto lens to take pictures of the port.

This illusion of security is just that, an illusion, a grab for power, and if people don&#039;t stand up and stop it than we all lose.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ian, it&#8217;s always great to hear some other points of view, and not just hear the ra-ra of people pushing a pro-photography agenda, but please, please break your posts up into paragraphs. It&#8217;s nearly impossible to wade through an entire page of text with no line breaks.</p>
<p>As to the issue, anyone wishing to make an attack on the port doesn&#8217;t need to do recon with a massive camera, they can drive down the street, do research on the internet. Take your own information regarding fuel storage locations and pumping facilities&#8230; tisk tisk, you may have just helped some terrorists, information is dangerous.</p>
<p>Seriously, if someone wants to do some damage, there is little that can be done to stop them. They don&#8217;t need any recon, they don&#8217;t need a big dslr and a telephoto lens to take pictures of the port.</p>
<p>This illusion of security is just that, an illusion, a grab for power, and if people don&#8217;t stand up and stop it than we all lose.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 05:32:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Damon, After spending a good amount of time reading the stories of many photographer who object to being stopped, I think I have a better understanding of the predominent mindset which appears to be a community of artistic and generally well meaning folks who enjoy photography. I also think that there are always going to be people who are defiant no matter how justified the instances are when they are questioned. I think that at least a portion of the problems stem from employees and security personnel from privately held properties who are both misinformed about the law and who are either ordered to or feel an obligation to act on the behalf of their respective properties. I certainly would not say that all law enforcement officers are always perfect and have the greatest personality 100% of the time, but I do know however that 99% of them truly are doing the best they can with the information and resources afforded them, and 99% of them truly do so with the utmost of good intentions. Law enforcement officers are employees with a prescribed mission or goal just like any other organization, however their mission is to ultimately ensure safety and not necessarily to make everyone in the public happy about the way they do so. We don&#039;t usually ever hear about a cop or government official being helpful and kind because it doesn&#039;t capture people&#039;s attention. So unfortunately it only takes a few instances where an officer is perceived as (or is truly) being rude or aggressive before that particular scenario is then held up to the light of the public opinion as proof of how poorly a particular group is treated &quot;all the time&quot;. You are right Damon, it is a an unproductive strategy to simply demand people stop photographing, especially if the people aren&#039;t doing anything wrong. I can definitely understand why people such as yourselves would take offense to this. I don&#039;t think it is necessarily a case where officers are saying &quot;you can&#039;t photograph&quot; because as we all know that is incorrect so long as it&#039;s done from publicly available points of view. I live and work here in the port and I have seen with my own eyes the officers speaking as politely as they can while still doing the best they could to determine that the people were not a threat. It&#039;s more likely that the photographers are unhappy with being stopped in the first place on a matter of principal. In regards to your opinion that pictures taken in public can&#039;t be used for bad purposes..are you kidding? So with a 10 or 15 megapixel camera and a long lens you dont think there is a difference between extremely detailed images of structures, bridges, mass transit facilities and fuel and chemical plants and aerial view or streetlevel google pictures? There is a huge difference as far as what kind of details can be gleaned from publicly available images. That&#039;s spefically why the images arent able to be viewed in fine detail. Lastly,although from your point of view as a photgrapher your actions are no different than walking down a sidewalk capturing artistic images, the fact remains that the cops job is to be on the lookout for ANYONE that might be gathering information to be used for a later attack. If they failed to stop and talk with you then they would be doing a disservice to their agency, the residents such as myself who live here, and the nation that would be ultimately be affected economically. No matter how much anyone doesn&#039;t like it, the fact remains that the very freedoms we enjoy and covet so much in our country are exactly what makes us more vulnerable than just about any other country on earth to future attacks. I know that it&#039;s an unfortunate situation but it isn&#039;t going to change. My last question I had for Bryan was that although he was annoyed at his &quot;time being wasted&quot;, were the port cops at least courteous or professional while they dealt with the boating group? They don&#039;t exactly appear to be gestapo thugs in the picture that he took. In any case, I wish you all well and really do appreciate the amazing pictures you take. I think I will be signing up for a class and learn how to properly utilize my own DSLR. Peace.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damon, After spending a good amount of time reading the stories of many photographer who object to being stopped, I think I have a better understanding of the predominent mindset which appears to be a community of artistic and generally well meaning folks who enjoy photography. I also think that there are always going to be people who are defiant no matter how justified the instances are when they are questioned. I think that at least a portion of the problems stem from employees and security personnel from privately held properties who are both misinformed about the law and who are either ordered to or feel an obligation to act on the behalf of their respective properties. I certainly would not say that all law enforcement officers are always perfect and have the greatest personality 100% of the time, but I do know however that 99% of them truly are doing the best they can with the information and resources afforded them, and 99% of them truly do so with the utmost of good intentions. Law enforcement officers are employees with a prescribed mission or goal just like any other organization, however their mission is to ultimately ensure safety and not necessarily to make everyone in the public happy about the way they do so. We don&#8217;t usually ever hear about a cop or government official being helpful and kind because it doesn&#8217;t capture people&#8217;s attention. So unfortunately it only takes a few instances where an officer is perceived as (or is truly) being rude or aggressive before that particular scenario is then held up to the light of the public opinion as proof of how poorly a particular group is treated &#8220;all the time&#8221;. You are right Damon, it is a an unproductive strategy to simply demand people stop photographing, especially if the people aren&#8217;t doing anything wrong. I can definitely understand why people such as yourselves would take offense to this. I don&#8217;t think it is necessarily a case where officers are saying &#8220;you can&#8217;t photograph&#8221; because as we all know that is incorrect so long as it&#8217;s done from publicly available points of view. I live and work here in the port and I have seen with my own eyes the officers speaking as politely as they can while still doing the best they could to determine that the people were not a threat. It&#8217;s more likely that the photographers are unhappy with being stopped in the first place on a matter of principal. In regards to your opinion that pictures taken in public can&#8217;t be used for bad purposes..are you kidding? So with a 10 or 15 megapixel camera and a long lens you dont think there is a difference between extremely detailed images of structures, bridges, mass transit facilities and fuel and chemical plants and aerial view or streetlevel google pictures? There is a huge difference as far as what kind of details can be gleaned from publicly available images. That&#8217;s spefically why the images arent able to be viewed in fine detail. Lastly,although from your point of view as a photgrapher your actions are no different than walking down a sidewalk capturing artistic images, the fact remains that the cops job is to be on the lookout for ANYONE that might be gathering information to be used for a later attack. If they failed to stop and talk with you then they would be doing a disservice to their agency, the residents such as myself who live here, and the nation that would be ultimately be affected economically. No matter how much anyone doesn&#8217;t like it, the fact remains that the very freedoms we enjoy and covet so much in our country are exactly what makes us more vulnerable than just about any other country on earth to future attacks. I know that it&#8217;s an unfortunate situation but it isn&#8217;t going to change. My last question I had for Bryan was that although he was annoyed at his &#8220;time being wasted&#8221;, were the port cops at least courteous or professional while they dealt with the boating group? They don&#8217;t exactly appear to be gestapo thugs in the picture that he took. In any case, I wish you all well and really do appreciate the amazing pictures you take. I think I will be signing up for a class and learn how to properly utilize my own DSLR. Peace.</p>
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