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		<title>By: James (aka MacManX)</title>
		<link>http://allnarfedup.com/2005/03/07/full-text-or-summary-feeds/#comment-331</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James (aka MacManX)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Mar 2006 01:27:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oops, I wish I could edit that and put an &#039;I&#039; in after &#039;so&#039;.  For some reason, it reads like a spam comment without it.  Sorry about that.

(I edited it for you. Thanks James! -&lt;em&gt;Bryan&lt;/em&gt;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops, I wish I could edit that and put an &#8216;I&#8217; in after &#8216;so&#8217;.  For some reason, it reads like a spam comment without it.  Sorry about that.</p>
<p>(I edited it for you. Thanks James! -<em>Bryan</em>)</p>
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		<title>By: James (aka MacManX)</title>
		<link>http://allnarfedup.com/2005/03/07/full-text-or-summary-feeds/#comment-330</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James (aka MacManX)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Mar 2006 01:19:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry to briefly resurrect this old discussion, but I ran across this post via Google yesterday and in my referrer stats today, so I felt that it was in dire need of the following update:

If you use WordPress, present a full-content feed to your readers, but desire to provide some ownership and/or copyright information with your feed, then try Angsuman&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.taragana.com/index.php/archive/wordpress-plugin-to-automatically-add-copyright-message-to-your-rss-atom-feeds/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feed Copyrighter plugin&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to briefly resurrect this old discussion, but I ran across this post via Google yesterday and in my referrer stats today, so I felt that it was in dire need of the following update:</p>
<p>If you use WordPress, present a full-content feed to your readers, but desire to provide some ownership and/or copyright information with your feed, then try Angsuman&#8217;s <a href="http://blog.taragana.com/index.php/archive/wordpress-plugin-to-automatically-add-copyright-message-to-your-rss-atom-feeds/" rel="nofollow">Feed Copyrighter plugin</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Bryan</title>
		<link>http://allnarfedup.com/2005/03/07/full-text-or-summary-feeds/#comment-329</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bryan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Mar 2005 05:26:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Closing this early. So much to sift through, and I definitely don&#039;t want things to get out of hand. Wait, they already are. *sigh*

Sorry all of you had to go through this.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Closing this early. So much to sift through, and I definitely don&#8217;t want things to get out of hand. Wait, they already are. *sigh*</p>
<p>Sorry all of you had to go through this.</p>
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		<title>By: gpshewan</title>
		<link>http://allnarfedup.com/2005/03/07/full-text-or-summary-feeds/#comment-328</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Mar 2005 04:10:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Childish?  Pitiful?  Yahoo&#039;s core business not a search engine, CNet?  Anthony I don&#039;t know you from the next person and I don&#039;t want to.  You&#039;re not adding anything to this apart from getting insulting, which there&#039;s no need for.

What has this discussion got to do with NYT having a page of feeds?  Nothing.  I repeat it&#039;s_not_about_big_companies.  You&#039;ve missed the point, now stop acting like a troll (p.s. you&#039;ve never met me)

Nice discussion Bryan, but it&#039;s over as far as I&#039;m concerned now.  Not worth it when people like this appear.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Childish?  Pitiful?  Yahoo&#8217;s core business not a search engine, CNet?  Anthony I don&#8217;t know you from the next person and I don&#8217;t want to.  You&#8217;re not adding anything to this apart from getting insulting, which there&#8217;s no need for.</p>
<p>What has this discussion got to do with NYT having a page of feeds?  Nothing.  I repeat it&#8217;s_not_about_big_companies.  You&#8217;ve missed the point, now stop acting like a troll (p.s. you&#8217;ve never met me)</p>
<p>Nice discussion Bryan, but it&#8217;s over as far as I&#8217;m concerned now.  Not worth it when people like this appear.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony</title>
		<link>http://allnarfedup.com/2005/03/07/full-text-or-summary-feeds/#comment-327</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anthony]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Mar 2005 03:59:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yahoo&#039;s core business is NOT their search engine.  And Yahoo does have RSS feeds for their news.

As far as the NY Times I assure you they would start with both a website, and print media if they had started their newspaper in...  1994...  And not 1851...

The NY Times has a entire page of RSS feeds: http://www.nytimes.com/services/xml/rss/index.html

But if you would like to act like continue your childish antics I could always point you in the direction of C&#124;Net amoung other places.

Your logic is...  Pitiful at the very best...

I highly doubt if I really cared and started to copy your blog entires with out giving credit and calling it my own you would be pissed.  If not...  Well if not you are about the most easy going person I have ever met, but of course this isn&#039;t the case.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yahoo&#8217;s core business is NOT their search engine.  And Yahoo does have RSS feeds for their news.</p>
<p>As far as the NY Times I assure you they would start with both a website, and print media if they had started their newspaper in&#8230;  1994&#8230;  And not 1851&#8230;</p>
<p>The NY Times has a entire page of RSS feeds: <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/services/xml/rss/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/services/xml/rss/index.html</a></p>
<p>But if you would like to act like continue your childish antics I could always point you in the direction of C|Net amoung other places.</p>
<p>Your logic is&#8230;  Pitiful at the very best&#8230;</p>
<p>I highly doubt if I really cared and started to copy your blog entires with out giving credit and calling it my own you would be pissed.  If not&#8230;  Well if not you are about the most easy going person I have ever met, but of course this isn&#8217;t the case.</p>
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		<title>By: gpshewan</title>
		<link>http://allnarfedup.com/2005/03/07/full-text-or-summary-feeds/#comment-326</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[gpshewan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Mar 2005 02:51:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Anthony, if you have anything useful to contribute go ahead.  This is a discussion about Feeds and not making it difficult to build a readership.  Yahoos core business is the search engine (btw they don&#039;t have a newsroom) and I&#039;m pretty sure the NYT started off in print (still are if I&#039;m not mistaken ;) )

The discussion has nothing to do with huge companies.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anthony, if you have anything useful to contribute go ahead.  This is a discussion about Feeds and not making it difficult to build a readership.  Yahoos core business is the search engine (btw they don&#8217;t have a newsroom) and I&#8217;m pretty sure the NYT started off in print (still are if I&#8217;m not mistaken <img src='http://s1.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  )</p>
<p>The discussion has nothing to do with huge companies.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony</title>
		<link>http://allnarfedup.com/2005/03/07/full-text-or-summary-feeds/#comment-325</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anthony]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Mar 2005 02:40:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[gpshewan - You clearly don&#039;t have a clue

Why don&#039;t you go tell Yahoo, The New York Times, and any other of many many huge companies that they should go to paper print only to avoid copyright infringement?

What?
No?
Why?
Because that would be ridiculuos?
Bingo!

Oh and the fact they would sue the hell out of you I bet helps too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>gpshewan &#8211; You clearly don&#8217;t have a clue</p>
<p>Why don&#8217;t you go tell Yahoo, The New York Times, and any other of many many huge companies that they should go to paper print only to avoid copyright infringement?</p>
<p>What?<br />
No?<br />
Why?<br />
Because that would be ridiculuos?<br />
Bingo!</p>
<p>Oh and the fact they would sue the hell out of you I bet helps too.</p>
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		<title>By: gpshewan</title>
		<link>http://allnarfedup.com/2005/03/07/full-text-or-summary-feeds/#comment-324</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[gpshewan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Mar 2005 02:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And how are they making money by scraping feeds?  Have they got a bigger readership?  Better advertising?  How does providing summary feeds drive people to your site?  Personally I think if you stop fretting about pagerank and concentrate on making life easy, entertaining and useful for your readers, then pagerank will take care of itself.  Summary feeds don&#039;t do that.

One of the most exciting technology &#039;blogs&#039; this year is Engadget.  Why aren&#039;t they locking down their feeds to summary?  Chasing and suing the ass of anybody and everybody that reproduces their work?  Maybe it&#039;s because they are spending that energy on building a good resource and community.

If you&#039;re that worried about copyright and people reproducing works, then unplug from the internet and go to print publishing.  Because that&#039;s the only way you&#039;ll get what you want.

Pagerank, Copyright, hard-work...bleh...it&#039;s about your readers and what you have to say to them first and foremost.  Don&#039;t make that difficult.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And how are they making money by scraping feeds?  Have they got a bigger readership?  Better advertising?  How does providing summary feeds drive people to your site?  Personally I think if you stop fretting about pagerank and concentrate on making life easy, entertaining and useful for your readers, then pagerank will take care of itself.  Summary feeds don&#8217;t do that.</p>
<p>One of the most exciting technology &#8216;blogs&#8217; this year is Engadget.  Why aren&#8217;t they locking down their feeds to summary?  Chasing and suing the ass of anybody and everybody that reproduces their work?  Maybe it&#8217;s because they are spending that energy on building a good resource and community.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re that worried about copyright and people reproducing works, then unplug from the internet and go to print publishing.  Because that&#8217;s the only way you&#8217;ll get what you want.</p>
<p>Pagerank, Copyright, hard-work&#8230;bleh&#8230;it&#8217;s about your readers and what you have to say to them first and foremost.  Don&#8217;t make that difficult.</p>
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		<title>By: Darren</title>
		<link>http://allnarfedup.com/2005/03/07/full-text-or-summary-feeds/#comment-323</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Darren]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Mar 2005 02:09:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[gpshewan - the reason he&#039;s switched to summary is because using RSS other sites can steal the full content of every post you make without lifting a finger - they can do it all automatically. Just consider for a moment the implications of this. Its so easy to lift an RSS feed and run it on your own blog - so easy in fact that its easy to do this to 100 or so sites....or 1000 or so sites....or more.

RSS hijackers are using Jon&#039;s feeds to make money without doing virtually any work at all where as jon is writing each post long hand.

Yes they could come to his site and copy and paste his posts - but that would be a lot longer process and whilst it still breaks copyright at least it would be some work for them which should limit the amount of copy they can steal.

I would love to offer my feeds fully - but I&#039;m sick of blood sucking thieves stealing my posts and putting up their own versions which not only make them money without any credit to who wrote it but who create duplicate versions of my content which risks me losing page ranking in Google who frowns upon duplicated versions of content.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>gpshewan &#8211; the reason he&#8217;s switched to summary is because using RSS other sites can steal the full content of every post you make without lifting a finger &#8211; they can do it all automatically. Just consider for a moment the implications of this. Its so easy to lift an RSS feed and run it on your own blog &#8211; so easy in fact that its easy to do this to 100 or so sites&#8230;.or 1000 or so sites&#8230;.or more.</p>
<p>RSS hijackers are using Jon&#8217;s feeds to make money without doing virtually any work at all where as jon is writing each post long hand.</p>
<p>Yes they could come to his site and copy and paste his posts &#8211; but that would be a lot longer process and whilst it still breaks copyright at least it would be some work for them which should limit the amount of copy they can steal.</p>
<p>I would love to offer my feeds fully &#8211; but I&#8217;m sick of blood sucking thieves stealing my posts and putting up their own versions which not only make them money without any credit to who wrote it but who create duplicate versions of my content which risks me losing page ranking in Google who frowns upon duplicated versions of content.</p>
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		<title>By: gpshewan</title>
		<link>http://allnarfedup.com/2005/03/07/full-text-or-summary-feeds/#comment-322</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[gpshewan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Mar 2005 00:41:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And?

Why is that a good reason to switch to summary?  So a few sites are aggregating the full feed...it&#039;s called reblogging or a link blog.  The biggest profile person to do that is Robert Scoble, So should everybody listed there switch to summary to throw a spanner in the works?  You can&#039;t protect your content like that, otherwise you may as well implement registration.  It only takes a few lines of script to scrape a site anyway.

My whole point is to focus on what&#039;s important - the visitors - and summary feeds do not do a great job.  And that&#039;s the whole point of my orginal post - if you&#039;re going to insist on doing it - make them want to come and read the full text.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And?</p>
<p>Why is that a good reason to switch to summary?  So a few sites are aggregating the full feed&#8230;it&#8217;s called reblogging or a link blog.  The biggest profile person to do that is Robert Scoble, So should everybody listed there switch to summary to throw a spanner in the works?  You can&#8217;t protect your content like that, otherwise you may as well implement registration.  It only takes a few lines of script to scrape a site anyway.</p>
<p>My whole point is to focus on what&#8217;s important &#8211; the visitors &#8211; and summary feeds do not do a great job.  And that&#8217;s the whole point of my orginal post &#8211; if you&#8217;re going to insist on doing it &#8211; make them want to come and read the full text.</p>
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